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 Post subject: Tree structure of science
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:19 pm 
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Dear friends,
As I see it, science has a tree structure, where from one topic of study developing others. As I think practically not one of discoveries was made on the empty place, it was preceded by some previous studies. If science change the direction, then some branches of science's tree grow more fast than others. And if we curtail some directions or even separate studies nobody can say which discoveries can not be made as result of such actions.
Then curtaling of space explorations can influence on other branches of science.
Till this moment we studied different areas of science without restrictions, now situation change on our eyes...

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 Post subject: trees or the forest?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:16 pm 
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In the tale of the left and right brain halves, it is said that the right half is the emotional/feeling part,whereas the left half is the rational analytical part.
The trick is of course to have the two halves communicate and co-operate properly with each other to get a full view of what is going on.

Reading about Oleg's science tree, reminded me of a comparison about the workings of the brain-halves, which says:

-the left brain-half sees the trees
-the right brain-half sees the forest

I agree with you Oleg (Oleg are you still there? :wink: ) that science is tree shaped, but that is just what worries me.
You can specialize on one tree and it will of course have results and spin offs;
but wouldn't there be something to be said for being able to see the whole forest?
Perhaps some area's of science have been studied without restrictions, but it does stick to one sort of tree.
That's why I plea bargain for integrating unproven stuff like intuition, imagination and subconscious knowledge (also known as 'a hunch'). :wink:

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 Post subject: In Russia not only science change direction
PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:58 am 
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Only from USA news I, all of a sudden, know that we sent a group of military ships (with aircraft-carrier) in Mediterranean. For country, which can not pay good pensions to old people it is, of course, first needed thing!
Dear friends, I am afraid the State of fear (excuse, me Admin :wink: ) of MC anew is real for my country. As I understand Fear it is ultima ratio of any unhonest establishment.:wink:
And from Russian news I know that our president create huge state structures for military science researches. I know about relation of Dr.Crichton to secret researches in science from his non-fiction articles and I share this approach.

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Oleg, can you try and explain what's in it for a 'dishonest establishment' to divert attention from what the peoples actual needs are to creating fear.?

Of course I could name the obvious; 'power' 'control' 'creating a docile population so they are easy to manage', but in the end that never brings mankind or their leaders what they actually need.

History is littered with examples on how to do it the wrong way; yet it seems to be the puddle leaders (and their followers!) from all over the world consistently step into.

What is it that establishments are so afraid of themselves?
Why is it so threatening to have world where people would be allowed to have a mind of their own?
What do leaders gain from having to spend their time being suppressors?
And why does most of mankind seem to condone that mechanism every time again?

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 Post subject: Everyone do what he can
PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 3:57 am 
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[quote=On security, I feel fortunate to live in an environment so much different from Oleg's. One of the Sun Tze's, a famous war strategist in China, saying was " Enemy within is more dangerous than enemy outside."
Human kinds is such that we can make the best of what we have. Oleg, you can do it too.[/quote]

Dear Harold,
thanks for your words. In 1990-1991 for very short period I was living in free democratic country, which was my Russia, then more sadly for me is return in our past with Putin's "vertical of power". I could not understand why I so like SoF of MC, now I understand it! I like other books of MC more then this one, but this one is near to reality around me. I dream to live in free country, but by all my roots I connected with USSR (Not Russia, because old Tsarist Russia was free country if we compare it with new one).

Dear Lucidity, I live in country without private labs, here all scientists depend only from state donations. As result all of them in such or such way work for military goals, because security(or by other words - war) is main state goal. That to know what is life of scientist or inventor in state with science on goverment funding enough to read
V.Dudintsev "Not by bread alone" and "White dresses"
A.Rand "Atlas Shrugged" (Fate and life of Dr. Stadler in this book)
I more like the situation when all labs are private.

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 Post subject: Laboratories of the West
PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:16 pm 
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Just out of curiosity, Oleg, what do you believe is the objective of private labs in America? How do you see the role of science in the West? And to what extent is the West's contribution to humanity as compared to that of Russia's?

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